tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7756920.post6419669494349829383..comments2024-01-08T06:21:35.864-08:00Comments on Notes in Samsara: Re-thinking our positionsMumon Khttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01116967568502451788noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7756920.post-74455265783926684472012-01-19T05:18:12.089-08:002012-01-19T05:18:12.089-08:00David-
It is all eventually a matter of taste, and...David-<br />It is all eventually a matter of taste, and I could hardly find more pleasant things to disagree over. <br /><br />In taking your point re: Dylan, there's a tacit assumption that these voices of Dylan were basically a decision he made to use.<br /><br /><br /><br />Yeah, Christmas albums. <br /><br /><br />But the larger point, though is that things appear to us one way and may not be that way "in reality."Mumon Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01116967568502451788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7756920.post-13165042971861783332012-01-18T19:13:05.993-08:002012-01-18T19:13:05.993-08:00I’m not trying to get obstinate with you here, it’...I’m not trying to get obstinate with you here, it’s just that I am a hardcore Dylan fan and have been going way, way back. I think Dylan created song types specifically for whatever voice he was using at the time, no the other way around. The “I can sing just as good as Caruso and hold the notes twice as long” remark, which I believe was made to the Time reporter, was revealing because I feel he was rather sensitive about how he sounded once, which led into the Nashville Skyline voice, but as time wore on, he became more comfortable with his natural voice and until recently it has served him in good stead and as Columbia Records once proclaimed “Nobody sings Dylan better than Dylan.”<br /><br />As far as aging goes, I suppose it’s all in the eye of the beholder . . . but Bob is still out there on the road, playing gigs night after night, and man does his voice sound ragged now and he might be tied with Keith Richards for the most wrecked face in rock, but he must have something still going on (I haven’t seen live since 2005) because he sells out most nights and young people flock to those concerts, as they always have, and as someone else said, it takes guts to sing like Dylan . . . <br /><br />No one needs to repent for anything . . . except maybe for Christmas albums.Davidhttp://theendlessfurther.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7756920.post-18390391164669056782012-01-18T11:16:04.876-08:002012-01-18T11:16:04.876-08:00Oh, and if we reanimate him, Lennon shouldn't ...Oh, and if we reanimate him, Lennon shouldn't repent at all for God.<br /><br />Some of the words are dated, and the words a bit narcissistic, but that's a work of genius, especially the gospel standard-flavored musical arrangement.Mumon Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01116967568502451788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7756920.post-20441421026190700512012-01-18T11:14:09.817-08:002012-01-18T11:14:09.817-08:00David -
I think you're right. I guess he was ...David -<br /><br />I think you're right. I guess he was on past my bedtime. :-) Unlike Soupy Sales...<br /><br />Thing about Dylan, though, is if you listen to his early stuff - and "Nashville Skyline" and his more recent stuff- you'll quickly come to the conclusion that "Dylan's voice" was created specifically for the song type he was doing, and our impression of "Dylan's voice" is exactly why his bit with the reporter in <i>Don't Look Back</i> was tinged with irony and sarcasm (and not a little bit of misplaced disrespect on Dylan's part as he was toying with the reporter).<br /><br />Dylan didn't have a voice for opera, but he clearly knew what he was doing with his voice & why.<br /><br />You're right about the comparing of Dylan, Simon, & Cohen...but I'd still say one of them aged the best. And it wasn't Dylan, but to each their own.Mumon Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01116967568502451788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7756920.post-74335548411389651722012-01-18T11:06:27.626-08:002012-01-18T11:06:27.626-08:00First, I am glad to see that others are a bit skep...First, I am glad to see that others are a bit skeptical about such application as Buddhify . . . <br /><br />Secondly, as far as I can remember Lenny Bruce’s material was never blacklisted in the mass media. Obviously, he was not “ready for primetime” television in his later years, but some of the bits he did earlier on The Steve Allen Show and Playboy After Dark are among his best, and cleanest. All through the Sixties I remember seeing his book, “How To Talk Dirty and Influence People” on book racks in drug and book stores. “The Essential Lenny Bruce” was another book I recall seeing around a lot. It was the LP’s that were hard to find, at least where I was.<br /><br />The Paul Simon song in question, "A Simple Desultory Philippic, or How I was Robert McNamara'd into Submission" is a parody on Bob Dylan, with Simon imitating Dylan’s voice and his sense of rhyme. Timeless, it is not, however I’m not sure that Mr. Simon needs to repent of it, anymore than Dylan should repent of “Talkin' John Birch Paranoid Blues” or “Motorpsycho Nightmare” – or, were he alive today, Lennon should repent for “God.”<br /><br />Elsewhere on the same album, “Parsley, Sage, Rosemary and Thyme”, Simon and Garfunkel sing “Silent Night” over a broadcast of the 7 o’clock new, during which the new of Lenny Bruce’s death is reported by the announcer. <br /><br />So, who could hold a candle to Dylan? Comparing songwriters (Dylan, Simon, Cohen) seems unfair. It’s like asking who was the better guitar player – Clapton or Hendrix? Technically, Clapton was more accomplished, but Hendrix was the real innovator. As they say, apples and oranges.Davidhttp://theendlessfurther.comnoreply@blogger.com